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  What is the BEST spot in the Netherlands?
6/25/2009 10:29:44 PMAdam Gustafsson

Hi Guys.
I'm always impressed by the amount of sailing that you all get in over there, recently there has been so many posts coming daily in with epic speeds yet here in the UK there has not been any wind for weeks. LOL I'm very jealous and have to do a lot more surfing than i'd like to when i'd rather be windsurfing
So... Where is the Number one spot? and what is it's best Feature. And what would be the ideal conditions there?

Here in the UK i consider West Kirby to be the perfect spot. Mainly due to super consistent wind and the fact you can launch 10m from where you park... Coming off the apex before firing yourself down the wall 1m from spectators has gotta be the best experience i've had in sailing by far!!. Some consider the ray to be the better spot but how often does it work..??  I don't think anyone has posted any big speeds there this year and blimey that walk out there was awful...then there is the mud!

So for the UK IMHO
Perfect spot WK
Perfect Direction 35-40 knots WNW.
I'm yet to get it in those conditions but hopefully this year
6/26/2009 8:39:05 AMHoward Rowson

Adam you want to see the forest of offshore wind turbines that are currently being constructed directly upwind of WK in a westerly flow. The UK governments climate change policy indicates that the use of renewables will be on the increase big time over the next 10 years, with big plans for massive offshore wind farms.
The company I work for have a subsidury co. who design and construct a significant proportion of on and offshore windfarms around the world. I know one of the Design Engineers, so I'll be picking his brains the next time I see him, I'd been keen to know what impact these "forests" have on windflow downwind of these structures particulary see level winds. I suspect very little, so I'm not overly concerned, but if there is a slowing of windflow at turbine height, this must have a slowing effect on sea level winds and introduce more of a turbulent gusty flow.

The raising pf the WK wall  by 150mm should n't have an impact on the flow over the wall. The southend of the lake by the sluices in a southerly /SSW flow, where the wall height is 2m+ is diabolical.
6/28/2009 11:30:08 AMMartin van Meurs

Hi Adam,

Yep we're lucky guys/girls. When you look at other countries I can imagine many will envy our conditions.

The BEST spot in my mind isn't neccesarily the fastest. The Brace would be the easy answer as this spot will probably be one of the very few to match the quality of a perfect Sandy Point session once or twice a year. Still your so dependent on the tide and wind direction, the walk is horrible and you can't change gear. Actually most of the time it's just not much fun to sail there to be honest.

To me strand Horst and bad Hoophuizen are still the best speedspots I ever sailed. On good days the spots is sheer magic. You won't get absolute record speeds in but to be able to catch a gust at basically the same top speed in an area of around 10 square miles is addicting. To me it's by far the best pracitce water I know and I still feel speeds close to 50 knots are possible if conditions get truly epic around summer time when the seagrass is the highest. If ever you would want to visit Holland between June to September/October and forecasts are good I would definitely take a chance and have a sail over there.

By the way, the most addictive speedspot I ever sailed is for sure West Kirby. The accelleration at the right wind angle in the first corner is so insane, I never felt anything like it. My session with the Naish 4.2 during a huge storm is something I would like to repeat but this time with the latest gear and training I got in since then. Just give us one day like that, get all top riders over there and I'm sure the top ten will easily set peak speeds over 50 knots.      
6/29/2009 11:13:31 AMTilmann Heinig

Hi Adam,

there is definitely no reason to be jealous, if you live in the UK !

There is no problem to find spots like the Brace in your country, as everywhere, where you have tides, you will find tideways, too.

The  main problem in general is not to find a spot - our main problem is the lack of storms. So in UK you are much luckier than in the Netherlands, as you live nearer to spots like the Outer Hebrides in Scotland.

Below a cut-out of the mindblowing statistic of the storm season November - March in Bragar/Lewis:
[img]http://surfgalerie.oase.com/data/500/medium/Hebridensturm1.jpg[/img]
6/29/2009 11:18:10 AMTilmann Heinig

better link:
http://surfgalerie.oase.com/showphoto.php?photo=4156&cat=500&ppuser=1298
6/29/2009 11:20:00 AMTilmann Heinig

below some nice tideways in North-Uist/Outer Hebrides:
http://surfgalerie.oase.com/showphoto.php?photo=4155&cat=500&ppuser=1298
6/29/2009 11:53:51 AMHoward Rowson

The only downside with West Kirby is that it is a lake bounded by four walls.
This causes big problems with chop. Rolling, reflective and wake chop,  all
combining to give a very rough ride on the bottom half of the course.

The optimum angle for West Kirby is around 300 degrees, just west of NWbW, roughly
148 degrees sailing angle, super broad. The session from the 1st of October last year, in the morning
was about this angle, with winds gusting up around 35kts. Farrel was hitting 47+ on the vmax's.

The majority of the course was flat, with the windflow slighlty broader than a WNW, the reflective
chop was coming back into the course much further dowm, when compared with a west or WNW, as with the session
on the 11 Jan 07, when Bob and Steve were hitting big numbers

The benefits of sand Bar speeds strips over West Kirby are a clean laminar windflow and less chop,
in particular the reflective variety. Big chop only occurs when the tidal flow is against the wind.
The downside of the sand bar is that they are pretty remote and hard work to get to.

The PiT having the best of both worlds.

   
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